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Buttercream Frosting (American)

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Although, essentially just butter, sugar, and egg, there are many ways to prepare buttercream. Italian buttercream begins with a simple syrup heated to the soft-ball stage and then whipped into an egg white foam before adding butter. A French buttercream is prepared by whipping a solution of heated egg yolks and sugar into a thick foam followed by the incorporation of butter. This recipe is one of many recipes that can be considered American buttercream.

To prepare enough buttercream to frost a two layer 9-in. round cake (or a three layer 8-in. round cake), you'll need one pound (450 g) unsalted butter, four large eggs, 1 cup (200 g) granulated sugar, 1/2 teaspoon (3 g) table salt, and 2 tsp. pure vanilla extract.


Start by cracking all four eggs into the metal bowl of a stand mixer. Add the sugar and vanilla extract to the bowl.


Whisk until the eggs, sugar, and extract are evenly combined.


Find a pot that the mixing bowl can sit on without touching the bottom of the pan. Pour about 1/2-in. (about 1 cm) water into the pot and bring to a boil. Reduce heat to a simmer and place the mixing bowl over the water pot to form a double boiler. This will allow us to heat the eggs slowly, minimizing the chances that the egg proteins will tighten up (forming scrambled eggs). Whisk continuously over the steaming water until the eggs reach 160°F as measured by an instant read thermometer.


Once the mixture reaches 160°F, take it off the heat and beat on medium-high with the flat beater attachment for five minutes. The egg mixture will turn light yellow and fluffy. The mixture should have cooled by this time. Touch the side of the mixing bowl to check the temperature. If the mixture is too warm, it will melt the butter while you add it and the buttercream might not come together.

Reduce the mixer's speed to low and begin cutting pieces of butter into the mixer, waiting for ten to fifteen seconds before adding the next piece. One pound of butter should be cut into about 16 to 20 pieces (about 2 Tbs. per piece). During this process, the mixture will become lumpy, but don't worry about it, continue to cut pieces of butter into the mix until all the butter has been incorporated.


After all the butter has mixed in, continue to run the mixer until the mixture turns smooth and silky.



The final buttercream should be easy to spread onto the cake and should taste distinctly of sweet butter without any lumps or grittiness.


Buttercream frosting (yields frosting for a two layer 9-in. round cake)
4 large (200 g) eggswhiskwhisk over double boiler until 160°Fbeat on medium-high speed 5 min.beat butter in on low speedbeat until smooth and silky
1 cup (200 g) granulated sugar
2 tsp. (10 mL) vanilla extract
1/2 tsp. (3 g) table salt
1 lb. (450 g) unsalted buttercut into 16 to 20 pieces

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Written by Michael Chu
Published on May 10, 2006 at 12:39 AM
103 comments on Buttercream Frosting (American):(Post a comment)

On May 10, 2006 at 07:48 AM, Michael Chu said...
I had some trouble with this last weekend when I made a batch of buttercream in the San Francisco Bay Area, refrigerated it, and brought it up to Lake Tahoe (an alpine lake at the California and Nevada border) to frost a birthday cake I would make up there. Typically, buttercream refrigerates well - only requiring a return to room temperature and brief beating with the flat beater to return to a smooth, silky, and spreadable consistency. This time, however, parts of the buttercream never softened up and after a bit of beating with the stand mixer, the buttercream began to weep what seemed to be a mixture of simple syrup and egg. I gave up on that batch of buttercream and made another batch. This batch never came together as smoothly as buttercream should. The buttercream had a tendency to slip and slide over itself as I worked with it. Because of this, it was very difficult to produce a uniform surface on the final cake, and I ended up sprinkling chocolate shavings over the surface to mask the imperfect frosting. Those who ate the cake loved the frosting, so the taste and final texture were pleasing to the mouth - but the buttercream was very difficult to work with.

I still don't know the reason why this happened - but it could be a combination of the high altitude (over 6000 ft. above sea level) and fairly warm temperature in the house (a bit above 75°F). I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has trouble with this buttercream - especially since it always comes together perfectly when I'm at home. Even if the buttercream comes together funny (like it did for my in Tahoe), I guarantee the taste will be great.


On May 10, 2006 at 02:21 PM, Nick said...
If you've got weepy buttercream, it will normally come back if you just keep on mixing and add a bit of heat. Remember that if you beat butter enough, it can be soft while still being cold. Coming right of a refrigerator, I break it up into a Kitchen Aid bowl, dunk the bowl in hot water to melt a bit of it, and start beating slowly. It normally takes another dunk or two, and then I warm the bottom and sides of the bowl with my hands while the mixer is on. Then just beat until it's ready.

If you're getting pieces that don't incorporate, it's probably too cold.

Buttercream is a lot like chocolate in that you're completely on its time--trying to rush it before it's ready doesn't really pays off. I've never had buttercream that didn't come back with the right amount of heat and mixing (assuming it was made right in the first place, no broken meringue), even with lots of excess water from fruits and purees, so stay with it!

HTH


On May 10, 2006 at 05:00 PM, spacial_k (guest) said...
Subject: American Buttercream
Just so you know, the above recipe is totally WRONG. I graduated from culinary school so I know how to make buttercream. First off, buttercream frosting NEVER contains egg yolks. The intro at the beginning mentions French buttercream being a heated mixture of yolks and sugar, and I have seen a few recipes calling for whole eggs, but that isn't traditional. Buttercream is defined by the type of meringue used to make it. There are three types of meringue (egg white) buttercreams -- Italian where a simple syrup is beaten into the whites -- the most stable buttercream, Swiss where whites and sugar are heated together which is mid-level stable, and French where no heat is applied and egg whites are whipped up with the sugar and butter is just added in. French is the least stable variety and is considered raw as far as the eggs go. Now I have seen some French buttercream recipes that called for whole eggs, but this wasn't what they taught us in school, so I'm sticking to the above information, since I know it works every time. For frosting, I recommend the Swiss or Italian version since they are more stable and will hold their shape on the cake longer. They are also safer from a health standpoint.


On May 10, 2006 at 05:44 PM, cinco de mayo (guest) said...
are you sure that tastes ok? all the frostings ive made at home tasted HORRIBLE... too buttery.
and this has eggs so I'm guessing it'll taste worse.
Am I wrong?


On May 10, 2006 at 06:07 PM, an anonymous reader said...
Subject: Buttercream frosting has eggs?
I do not claim to be an expert...but buttercream frosting has been a family favorite for years. Mom & I have since given up on using a recipe but I believe our method originated from either the Better Crocker cookbook or Better Homes and Gardens...one of those standards. Anyway, our recipe has always been simply powdered (confectioner's) sugar, butter (I believe 2:1 sugar to butter but it's been a while) and enough vanilla (or other flavoring) and milk to make it a nice frosting consistancy. Neither Mom nor I has ever heated nor added eggs to the recipe...nor have a seen a buttercream frosting recipe that requires it...odd...
*shrug*


On May 10, 2006 at 06:20 PM, Michael Chu said...
cinco de mayo wrote:
are you sure that tastes ok? all the frostings ive made at home tasted HORRIBLE... too buttery.
and this has eggs so I'm guessing it'll taste worse.

Usually when people buy cakes with a buttercream frosting serve it at a party, all the plates left over have lumps of buttercream pushed to one side because no one wants to eat it. I am always surprised to find that no one leaves buttercream on the plate from one of my cakes and I routinely get compliments about the flavor and consistency of this buttercream. Give it a try, if it doesn't taste good to you, let us know and tell us what you dislike - I've got more buttercream recipes that yeild different flavors and textures. :)

spacial_k wrote:
Just so you know, the above recipe is totally WRONG. I graduated from culinary school so I know how to make buttercream. First off, buttercream frosting NEVER contains egg yolks. The intro at the beginning mentions French buttercream being a heated mixture of yolks and sugar, and I have seen a few recipes calling for whole eggs, but that isn't traditional.

spacial_k sounded so certain that I did a sanity check and looked up several buttercream recipes - this time from culinary school texts - and I stand by the statements I made in this article.


On May 10, 2006 at 07:10 PM, McDee said...
I'm in a pastry course at culinary school now (just got home from my pastry mid-term) and our most commonly used buttercream is a whole egg mixture like above except:

sugar and water (4:1) are brought to soft ball stage
whole eggs are whipped to ribbon stage
sugar mixture is drizzled into the eggs (down the side of the bowl while mixer is running) which cooks the eggs
mixture is kept moving while it cools (we've been using an ice-bath under the 20qt mixer to cool it more quickly)
chunked butter is added

Proceed as above.

Having hated cake frostings my whole life, I can honestly say that I enjoy this frosting. It's not too sweet, nor too buttery.


On May 10, 2006 at 09:25 PM, Alexandra said...
Subject: Too buttery?
Umm, buttercream is supposed to taste buttery. That's they joy of it! Don't eat real buttercream and expect it to taste like the frostings from cheaper bakeries that taste of only shortening and sugar. Real buttercream tastes buttery and not too sweet. Another problem is overapplication- I find that a relatively thin layer of buttercream suffices b/c it's so rich.


On May 11, 2006 at 01:49 PM, Patrick (guest) said...
Special_k,

If you think buttercreams are never made with yolks only, you apparently didn't learn much about buttercreams in culinary school. Just do the teeniest, tiniest little bit of research, and you'll see that French buttercream is made with yolks. Also, as a general piece of advice, its a good idea to check your facts before you accuse someone of getting them wrong - otherwise you make yourself look foolish.


On May 11, 2006 at 04:00 PM, rittaknapp (guest) said...
Subject: Buttercream question
I love buttercream but I stopped making it more than 10 years ago with my fear of salmonella. There are just too many children and grandparents around when we have cake. So the question. Can you make a decent buttercream with powdered egg whites (meringue powder)?


On May 11, 2006 at 06:33 PM, Michael Chu said...
Subject: Re: Buttercream question
rittaknapp wrote:
I love buttercream but I stopped making it more than 10 years ago with my fear of salmonella. There are just too many children and grandparents around when we have cake. So the question. Can you make a decent buttercream with powdered egg whites (meringue powder)?

This buttercream recipe cooks the eggs - salmonella risk is greatly reduced.


On May 11, 2006 at 06:55 PM, Patrick (guest) said...
rittaknapp,

As Michael says, the eggs in this recipe are pasteurized (bringing the eggs to 160F for 15 seconds reduced the number of microbes to like 0.0001 of that originally present). However, I don't see why you couldn't make an Italian meringue buttercream with powdered egg whites -- I've made just about everything with them, and never had a problem.


On May 12, 2006 at 06:38 AM, Nick said...
Quote:
First off, buttercream frosting NEVER contains egg yolks.

That's simply not true. Pate a bombe, which is whipped egg yolks and soft ball sugar, is a traditional base as well as the various meringues.

(I hate to do the whip out and compare thing, but in this case I feel I should back my statement up: I apprenticed growing up in the kitchen of a classic French/Danish restaurant, have a degree in pastry from the French Culinary Institute, and have worked as a pastry chef (chef, not cook).)


Quote:
Usually when people buy cakes with a buttercream frosting serve it at a party, all the plates left over have lumps of buttercream pushed to one side because no one wants to eat it.

I think that's because whipped Crisco + caster sugar does not in any way equal buttercream, even though that what most supermarket and standard-issue bakeries use.[/quote]


On May 13, 2006 at 05:07 PM, kayenne (guest) said...
Subject: culinary school snobs
hmm.. just a thought, just because someone came from a culinary school doesn't mean that he is better than those who didn't. or that his method is correct and other(non-culinary school) methods are not. a school should be there to guide and inspire creativity, not to make haughty robots out of graduates. following escoffier's methods down to the last pinch is no longer the epitome of fine dining. new trends are in! even escoffier can learn a thing or two.

-kayenne


On May 14, 2006 at 08:22 PM, an anonymous reader said...
Subject: A variation?
My grandma had a recipe for frosting that I absolutely adored, and have since lost. It probably doesn't qualify as buttercream, but I thought I'd ask here anyway. The base was milk and flour, cooked together until creamy. Then you beat sugar and butter for about 10 minutes, until the sugar was incorporated into the butter. Add the cooled milk mixture and beat again. I recall that you could add vanilla, jam or cocoa as well to flavor it.

It made a really light, delicate icing, but without the worry about salmonella. Has anyone heard of something similar? I've wanted to make it again but haven't found a similar recipe.


On May 15, 2006 at 02:10 AM, Shalmanese said...
"The Professional Pastry Chef" by Bo Friberg lists French Buttercream (p477) as containing 12 egg yolks and no egg whites


On May 18, 2006 at 04:54 AM, Bride to Be (guest) said...
Subject: Danish Buttercream???
Can anybody tell me the difference between "Classic Buttercream" and "Danish Buttercream," in terms of wedding cakes? I have a culinary background (trained at a culinary school, worked in catering for awhile), but it has been over 15 years since I left the field. I am familiar with Italian, Swiss, and French buttercreams, but I have never heard of Danish.

I am getting married this summer and have to pick out 4 cake samples (I get to choose the cake, fillings, and icings for each) to try out at my cake tasting appointment. The bakery offers (among 9 different icing choices) both "Classic Buttercream" and "Danish Buttercream." I've already decided to try the Rolled Fondant and the Marizapan (my top 2 choices), but I am now trying to decide if it is worthwhile trying both the buttercream options.


On May 18, 2006 at 03:20 PM, Janka (guest) said...
Subject: forsting using butter and pudding
Quote:
The base was milk and flour, cooked together until creamy. Then you beat sugar and butter for about 10 minutes, until the sugar was incorporated into the butter. Add the cooled milk mixture and beat again.


My familiy uses this kind of filling. However, I don't have the family recipe on hand. We use vanilla pudding powder.
2 cups milk
2 packages vanilla pudding powder (one package calling for 2 cups milk, so you get a thick custard)
- cook until thick, let cool completely
1 cup butter
5-6 oz sugar
- beat the butter and the sugar, then add the custard SLOWLY, until everything combines. The custard must be cold.
Note: I did not try this recipe myself. You can add cocoa or vanilla flavor (if not using vanilla pudding). You'll need to adjust the amounts if using preserves or nuts, I suppose. Corn starch can also be used (see package for amounts).
This spreads very well, and is not as "heavy" as only butter+sugar frosting.


On May 18, 2006 at 06:00 PM, shirewoman2 (guest) said...
Subject: Buttercream
Two things:
1. Spacial K -- chill out. No one like a know-it-all, and no one especially likes an angry know-it-all.

2. In regards to the earlier post about buttercream being made with confectioners' sugar and butter, yes, I've seen that in a lot of places, too, but I get the impression that this is more like the quick version, sort of a pseudo-buttercream. Try the recipe with the eggs -- it's FABULOUS! It's more time-consuming to prepare, but it is a thousand-fold (or 1E03 for you engineers ;-D ) better than the version using confectioners' sugar. The confectioners' sugar version does have a couple of advantages, though, so don't completely forget about it. It takes less time to make, and as it sits, it dries out a bit, making the frosting kind of hard, which is nice for decorating. I like it for decorating cookies. Buttercream made with eggs is a little more heat sensitive and gets a bit droopy when it sits out.

Thanks for the great blog!!!


On May 19, 2006 at 08:40 PM, Buttercream Lover (guest) said...
Subject: Buttercream Blues
I had a similar problem with buttercream "weeping" and it was solved by warming it slightly. I tried the recommended towel-soaked-in-hot-water-and-wrung-out wrapped around the bowl of the standing mixer. That didn't quite do the trick so I scraped the butterceam into a bowl and microwaved it on low for about a minute (pausing to scrape and stir), and then put it back into the mixer and it came right together after a bit of beating. Strangely enough, this happened to me in winter when my house was particularly cold, as well as in warmer weather. I guess it has to do with the butter's temperature relative to the egg mixture...? In any case, if it does that weird curdly thing, try warming it gently and beating again.


On May 20, 2006 at 06:42 PM, pdx cook (guest) said...
Subject: frosting made w/ flour & milk
thank you anonymous poster for mentioning your grandmother's frosting made w/ a flour and milk base. i'd never heard of such a recipe before, but was really intrigued after reading your post, so i did a little research and found a recipe that seemed like a match. i made it last night (adding 1/4c of natural cocoa) and loved it! i'd highly recommend giving it a try for anyone who's game for something a little different, and isn't a foodie purist. it's very light and just a little custard-y. here's the recipe i found:

INGREDIENTS:
• 2 tablespoons flour
• 3/4 cup milk
• 3/4 cup butter
• 3/4 cup sugar
• 1/8 teaspoon salt
• 1 teaspoon vanilla
PREPARATION:
In a saucepan add a small amount of the milk to flour then stir to make a smooth paste. Add remaining milk. Cook, stirring constantly, over medium heat until mixture boils and thickens. Cool.
Cream butter using medium speed of electric mixer.
Gradually add sugar and salt; beat well. Add cooled milk mixture. Beat until light and fluffy; add vanilla. Frosts a two layer cake.


On May 20, 2006 at 09:56 PM, pdx cook (guest) said...
Subject: clarification
those question marks which proceed the quantities are unintentional - i think they started out as bullets... sorry for any confusion.


On May 21, 2006 at 08:02 PM, an anonymous reader said...
Great recipe but I actually recommend that you add the vanilla after you beat the egg because the extract has a chance of evaporating when heated.


On May 23, 2006 at 07:26 PM, an anonymous reader said...
Subject: How long does butter cream keep in the fridge?
It'd be nice if I could prepare it well before I needed it.


On May 23, 2006 at 08:38 PM, Michael Chu said...
Subject: Re: How long does butter cream keep in the fridge?
Anonymous wrote:
It'd be nice if I could prepare it well before I needed it.

You should be able to refrigerate it for at least a week. Just make sure you provide enough time for it to return to room temperature.


On May 25, 2006 at 08:13 PM, Tiamat (guest) said...
Subject: Salmonella fears
Just thought I'd mention that you can buy pasturized eggs. Also, the odds of a typical American getting salmonella from raw eggs is something like 1 in 10,000. I've always eaten raw eggs (in cookie dough and cake batters, usually) and never had any problems.


On May 27, 2006 at 02:06 AM, kayke (guest) said...
Subject: buttercream
When I worked as a pastry chef at a national natural foods grocery store (Whole Paycheck) we would "re-liven" the BC by putting it into the kitchenaid with the paddle, start the mixer, and then heat the bottom of the bowl with a torch (available at your local hardware store; not necessary to drop major buxx on a "professional" one) and it always came together well. Then you can add melted bittersweet chocolate or other flavorings. Just make sure not to concentrate the flame on one part of the bowl for too long; I find a sweeping motion over the bottom of the bowl works well.
Thanks for a really cool site! I'm adding it to my bookmarks.
K.
--for the record, I never went to culinary school, but instead learned it all from my mom/granparents/great-grandparents who owned bakeries. And our buttercream was always made with egg yolks.


On May 29, 2006 at 03:41 PM, Caitlin (guest) said...
Subject: Chocolate Buttercream
I would like to try this recipe as a chocolate buttercream frosting. Would I use powdered cocoa or melted cocoa? Would I need to add the cocoa before I heat the mixture or when I'm adding the butter?


On June 06, 2006 at 01:58 AM, Amy (guest) said...
Subject: Buttercream w/egg yolk
I used to have a recipe for ginger sandwich cookies (I think it was from an old Williams-Sonoma catalogue years back) with a lemon cream frosting--as I recall, it was your standard buttercream made with butter and powdered sugar, but with an egg yolk, along with some lemon zest. No extra liquid of any sort, and not cooked. I wish I could find that recipe again--it was pretty tasty.

I remember also reading somewhere that to get rid of some of the "cornstarch" taste in that type of frosting to stir it over some simmering water (using double boiler) for a couple of minutes--now you can just microwave it a bit to do the same thing, then let cool and rewhip.

Would microwaving the above raw egg frosting (after making it, of course), kill off the salmonella, and then you could just rewhip it?


On June 06, 2006 at 04:30 AM, Michael Chu said...
Subject: Re: Buttercream w/egg yolk
Amy wrote:
Would microwaving the above raw egg frosting (after making it, of course), kill off the salmonella, and then you could just rewhip it?

Depends on how long you microwave it. Trouble is, you might end up cooking the eggs and liquid would probably end up weeping out of it while it cooked and whipping it up would end up making it into small chunky soup. If you gently heat it and hold it at 160°F for a couple minutes, that will kill off any bacteria. Just do that to the eggs in a double boiler right before you use it in the recipe.


On June 06, 2006 at 06:06 AM, Amy (guest) said...
Subject: Buttercream w/egg yolk
Thank you!


On June 06, 2006 at 08:06 PM, Amy (guest) said...
Subject: Posted Buttercream recipe
Michael,

I like the way you posted your recipe method above--it is a lot less fussy than the Ann Warren recipe method (of Cupcake Cafe--she was featured on one of the earlier Martha Stewart Living shows some years back), where you first make the syrup, then blend it into the whole eggs, wait for it to cool, then pour that mixture into the butter you're whipping....

Let's hear it for one-bowl frosting!

:D


On June 08, 2006 at 03:20 AM, ktexp2 said...
While we're on frostings, anyone have tips for a good merengue (jeez I can't spell - sorry!) style frosting? Everytime I make one, all I taste is egg whites. And its not terribly stable, either. It breaks down after a day and definitely does not keep in the fridge. I love a nice creamy frosting, but I do tire of the various buttercreams after a while.


On June 11, 2006 at 09:37 PM, Metrobake (guest) said...
Subject: Buttercream
Use flash-pasteurized egg whites. These are in cartons in the refrigerated section of the grocery store, next to the egg substitutes. They look raw, but they aren't. The powdered egg whites are great for royal icing, but the refrigerated ones work better for meringues. Of course, really fresh eggs work best, but I'm not convinced that the sugar syrup effectively cooks the eggs (whip out your instant-read thermometer if you want to decide for yourself), so I use flash-pasteurized for my retail sales.

I, too, graduated from a "culinary" school, but in my case, it was a "baking/pastry" school. There is a difference.

Regards,
MB


On July 02, 2006 at 06:44 AM, Cakeaholic (guest) said...
Subject: General Buttercream Question
I ran across this site while searching for a recipe for buttercream frosting. I am a huge fan of the old-fashioned bakery birthday cakes with the thick buttercream frosting flowers all over them (I was never one of those who would leave chunks of leftover icing on the plate!)

Anyway, buying an entire cake just to satisfy a random craving is ridiculous (and dangerous!), so I was hoping to learn how to make my own, but I want it to taste like the real thing. Even if I wanted to buy an entire cake, it's hard to find a decent one anymore. In my area, there are so many grocery-store bakeries that there are few independent bakeries around, and most of the grocery stores get it wrong, opting for that fluffier icing version that can only be described as tasting like a mixture of Cool Whip and Pledge.

To me, confectioners' sugar has a funny taste to it, and I think that's the problem with the recipes I've tried in the past, though I'm not 100% certain that's been the whole problem. Anyway, I wanted to know if, based on my description of what I'm trying to make, anyone can confirm that recipe is what I'm looking for.

Thank you!


On July 04, 2006 at 03:46 AM, spugne said...
Subject: Confectioners Sugar Alternative
My mother's "special" cakes were the Waldorf-Astoria red chocolate cake and Nutmeg Feather Cake from a 1950s Betty Crocker cookbook. She always used what she called 12 minute frosting (also called "Poor Man's Icing) on both -- still my favorite frosting. No confectioners sugar. Easy and cheap and tasty -- and it can be flavored as you wish. It is similar to the two listed above but not quite. Great as a filling for sandwich cookies or in/on chocolate cupcakes.

Recipe:
Step One: Mix 1 cup milk with 4 Tablespoons of flour (COOK & STIR UNTIL THICK, COOL).
Step Two: Beat 16 Tablespoons of butter (unsalted) with 1 teaspoon of vanilla for four minutes.
Step Three: Slowly beat in 1 cup sugar (regular or superfine granulated) on high speed four minutes until fluffy.
Step Four: Add cooked and cooled flour mixture and beat four minutes more.

We usually used this on cakes eaten the same day, but you would probably want to refrigerate it if not (all that butter). It gets hard like a buttercream when refrigerated, so allow cake to come to room temperature before serving.
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On August 29, 2006 at 10:52 AM, diegorvila said...
Thank you for this post. It is essential for non-nortamericans


On September 16, 2006 at 06:14 PM, RingDing10 (guest) said...
Subject: Cooked Icing & Lumps
I have a recipe for icing that my mother in law always made for every birthday & holiday we had. She passed away last year and I have inherited all of her recipes and now everyone expects me to make this cake. Problem is everytime I make the icing I get lumps, Tons of little lumps! It is a 2 part recipe. one that you cook flour, milk & salt. you cook it in a double boiler until thick. then you let cool. I then make a mixture of crisco, margerine, sugar and vanilla. beat till no longer sugary. I then add the two and beat. Neither of the mixtures have lumps until I combine the two then out of no where these little lumps of the "cooked" mixture appear. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? How do I get rid of the lumps?


On October 02, 2006 at 06:26 AM, cakeman (guest) said...
Subject: This is a Cook's Illustrated Recipe
This recipe, “Buttercream Frosting (American)” is actually a Cook’s Illustrated recipe called, “Rich Vanilla Buttercream Frosting” found in their New Best Recipes Book and Baking Illustrated books.

It is a great recipe and glad to see it hear with pictures. I also like Cook’s Illustrated “Rich Coffee Buttercream Frosting”, a variation that accompanies this recipe, very tasty.


On October 03, 2006 at 08:59 AM, an anonymous reader said...
Subject: Re: This is a Cook's Illustrated Recipe
cakeman wrote:
This recipe, “Buttercream Frosting (American)” is actually a Cook’s Illustrated recipe called, “Rich Vanilla Buttercream Frosting” found in their New Best Recipes Book and Baking Illustrated books.

With a recipe as simple as buttercream, it seems like there would be many sources with almost the exact same recipe. Michael's had a good history of crediting his sources when he uses an existing recipe, so maybe he forgot on this one or didn't realize that the recipe he uses is the same as the Cook's Illustrated one. Maybe he'll update his write up with a reference to Cook's after reading these comments. Ahem, Michael?


On October 04, 2006 at 10:45 PM, chemist/cook (guest) said...
Subject: separated buttercream
Michael, I have had the same experience with a buttercream recipe made with egg yolks and soft-ball stage sugar. As some of the others have suggested, heating the bowl lets the buttercream to come back together. I believe that when the butter is too cold, it "crystallizes" into an ordered state that refuses to mix with the rest of the ingredients. The irony is that the harder you beat the heck out of it, the more it refuses to combine. A little heat agitates the molecules enough to reach a disordered state, giving you fluffy frosting. There is a technical term for this that skips my mind at the moment.


On October 14, 2006 at 02:20 PM, novice (guest) said...
Subject: buttercream
PLEASE help! I did the sugar mixture to "soft ball stage", and upon adding it to the egg yolks that I kept moving with the mixer, it simply stuck to the side and bottom of the stainless steel bowl. Mixing over was like trying to mix a marble. Even the tiniest of streams drizzled down the side in the whipped egg yolks resulted in the hard, crystaline blob like precipatate at the bottom! (Eggs were at room temperature, sugar syrup was hot right off burner.) I do not have thermometer, but relied on "soft ball" stage in glass of water.

Can anyone help? I need this buttercream TONIGHT. Thanks!


On October 14, 2006 at 02:39 PM, an anonymous reader said...
Subject: Re: buttercream
novice wrote:
PLEASE help! I did the sugar mixture to "soft ball stage", and upon adding it to the egg yolks that I kept moving with the mixer, it simply stuck to the side and bottom of the stainless steel bowl. Mixing over was like trying to mix a marble. Even the tiniest of streams drizzled down the side in the whipped egg yolks resulted in the hard, crystaline blob like precipatate at the bottom! (Eggs were at room temperature, sugar syrup was hot right off burner.) I do not have thermometer, but relied on "soft ball" stage in glass of water.

Uhm, not to be rude, but have you read Michael's description of how to make buttercream or are you using a random recipe? At no point does the recipe call for heating a sugar mixture to soft ball stage (which is around 235F) and then adding egg yolks to it. Michael clearly states that you start with the egg yolks, sugar, and whatnot and heat that mixture until 160.


On October 14, 2006 at 03:00 PM, novice (guest) said...
Subject: buttercream
Thanks, guest. McDee DID post about 'soft ball' stage. (Scroll back) I am using a Julia Child recipe that I used quite successfully 15 years ago for a genoise, and got raves. This recipe says 'till 238 degrees F', which is soft ball stage.

Not having the thermometer anymore, can you sugest an approximation of when 160? (Emeril Lagasse has a buttercream that uses sugar and corn syrup heated till disolved). I would like to follow Michael's and your suggestions.

Thanks.


On October 14, 2006 at 08:59 PM, novice (guest) said...
Subject: buttercream
Is there anyone who can suggest how to determine 160F without a thermometer in order to follow Michael's recipe?


On October 15, 2006 at 06:43 AM, Michael Chu said...
Subject: Re: buttercream
novice wrote:
Not having the thermometer anymore, can you sugest an approximation of when 160? (Emeril Lagasse has a buttercream that uses sugar and corn syrup heated till disolved). I would like to follow Michael's and your suggestions.

The 160°F is used to make sure any salmonella that may be present in the eggs is killed effectively. The current number that is quoted for salmonella infections is 1 in 10,000 eggs consumed (and most of these cases are in restaurants), so if you're certain of the safety of your eggs - then go ahead and simply heat until everything is smooth and the sugar dissolved into the egg.


On October 19, 2006 at 06:37 PM, bakermaniac (guest) said...
Subject: alpine shortening
I've been searching the web for some buttercream frostings and found this forum. I am planning on baking a cake for my daughter's debutante ball. I have made the wilton buttercream frosting and would like to try other recipes because I don't really like the wilton. I would like to try the recipes that you have posted in this forum, but have a question. I found a recipe that asks for alpine shortening. It claims that the frosting comes out very creamy without the overly sweet taste. Have any of you tried alpine shortening in your recipes? Would I be able to use it when making the italian or french buttercream frosting, and would I be able to incorporate cream cheese into the frosting? Please help.


On November 15, 2006 at 12:28 AM, LazyCook (guest) said...
Subject: What kind of kitchenAid mixer you are using.. watts 250?
I planning to buy a KitchenAid mixer but their are different watts 250, 350... and so on. I am a novice baker. plz help B)


On November 16, 2006 at 05:41 AM, an anonymous reader said...
I've made this recipe twice now (the second time to make sure I didn't screw up the recipe) and did everything to a t and it still doesn't come out right.
It tastes wonderful, but it just doesn't hold...both times it starts to seperate. I live at 7000 feet and I know that has effects on the baked goods, but I wasn't sure if it would effect the buttercream or if I just need to keep practicing to get it right.

Any suggestions would be great!

Oh...and yes I've beaten it until my kitchenaid motor almost died...

-amber


On January 30, 2007 at 07:22 PM, Jennifer (guest) said...
Subject: Butter Cream Frosting
When making the American Butter Cream frosting, is it necessary to use the flat beater attachement? The mixer I have to use is a hand mixer with the regular beater.


On January 30, 2007 at 08:55 PM, Michael Chu said...
Subject: Re: Butter Cream Frosting
Jennifer wrote:
When making the American Butter Cream frosting, is it necessary to use the flat beater attachement? The mixer I have to use is a hand mixer with the regular beater.

Regular beater is fine.


On February 06, 2007 at 11:39 PM, Ami (guest) said...
Subject: novice questions
I'm considering to use this buttercream frosting recipe, but there are a few things I'd like to know:

1. Does this recipe make buttercream stable enough to make icing roses?
2. How long can it be refrigerated?
3. Do the eggs need to be room temperature?


On February 07, 2007 at 12:04 AM, Ami (guest) said...
Subject: cont'd
4. Can the recipe be cut in half for smaller cake recipes?


On February 10, 2007 at 12:14 AM, AnMochi (guest) said...
Subject: halving recipe
For Ami: Yes. I have successfully quartered this recipe. Halving it should be no problem. Have also flavored the recipe with chocolate bars melted with part of the butter and cooled. (white chocolate was fabulous!)
About the eggs: room temp (or slightly warmer) eggs will blend together more easily.
It is firm enough to pipe rosettes and things like whipped cream, but if you want something harder, you might try fondant or marzipan.

I really like this recipe: sweetness is just right for me and I have been able to halve and quarter it (here in Japan cakes tend to be smaller, but the standard frosting is whipped or chantilly cream,) as well as flavor it easily. I much prefer the satiny smoothness to the slightly grainy and very sweet uncooked kind with confectioners sugar-- The one difficult thing is not to get distracted while cooking the eggs on the double boiler, my biggest problem when doing stirred custard, pastry cream, and genoise. ;)

Happy baking and a big "Mahalo" to Michael Chu for this versitile recipe.

Aloha,
AnMochi


On February 14, 2007 at 01:27 AM, total amateur (guest) said...
Subject: My holy graille in baking - a great frosting!
Please help me! I have been looking for a kick-butt frosting recipe for YEARS. I tried several buttercream recipes (including the original recipe above as well as several recipes from the The Cake Bible), only to be really disappointed when they turned out like really sweet butter. I know, I know - it's BUTTERcream, but I don't normally put butter on chocolate cake. A couple bakeries near me in Wisconsin (Bay Bakery and Simma's Bakery) have these great frosting recipes that are sweet and rich, and yet don't taste like sticks of butter. I'm sure they aren't about to give out the recipes, though. Does anybody have anything for me to try that isn't 7-minute frosting, white mountain frosting, cream cheese frosting, or cooked frosting (I'm skeptical of cooked frosting b/c someone I know makes it and it tastes like the stuff I frost sugar cookies, not cakes, with.)?


On February 14, 2007 at 05:00 PM, hovsm (guest) said...
Subject: spacial_k
spacial_k. You do realize that school is meant to be a foundation. Just because you didnt learn it in school, doesn't make it incorrect. Not only that, every school is different. If you don't move beyond your schooling and get a bit of experience, then you make ignorant statements like you just have. I have seen a plethora of recipe's from world class chef's, that use egg yolks in their French buttercream's. Oh wait but you didnt learn it in school. Here is what you need to know about school. It isnt doctrine, it isnt infallable, and you are supposed to take that BASIC information and get valuable experience. I get the impression that under your logic one could say this "A soldier goes to basic training and their schools to learn to fight, so they should know exactly what happens when they go to war".........WRONG. That is why experience beats schooling every time.


On February 14, 2007 at 11:48 PM, AnMochi (guest) said...
Subject: for Total Amateur
How funny: I found this site, searching for a good buttercream and you came here looking for other frostings. Have recently started baking more cake and found this site really helpful. They have several frosting recipes you might try-- there is even an all Crisco recipe!

http://www.baking911.com/cakes/101.htm

Click on "recipes" and then, "cakes-fillings, frostings, & glazes." Hope you find something you like.

Aloha,
AnMochi


On February 20, 2007 at 01:42 AM, Total Amateur (guest) said...
Subject: thanks AnMochi!
I just checked out the website you mentioned above. It looks pretty promising. As soon as I have a functioning kitchen (remodeling) and an ability to taste (a neverending cold) again, I'll have to give some of the recipes a try :o). So how do you like the buttercream recipe listed above? Doesn't it taste like whipped butter to you? No offense to the author - apparently most people love this frosting. I guess I'm just crazy like that. Well, thanks again!


On February 26, 2007 at 05:41 AM, mac chan said...
Subject: HELP PLEASE!!!!!!
i made a cake for myn friend's aunt. it's her 50th birthday. apparently i used buttercream made of sugar( boiled at 250 F)eggwhites, butter. it melted after 6 hours, before she even blew the cake! i'm totaly desperate right now for the most stable buttercream recipe thAT will withstand room temperature for at least 7 hours! help help me.... i need to make up for that...


On March 01, 2007 at 11:06 AM, AnMochi (guest) said...
Subject: mac chan
Hi.

Have you tried substituting some shortening for part of the butter? You might notice the difference in taste but it is said to be more stable.

Perhaps you should consider fondant instead of buttercream. You didn't mention the temperature of your room, but over seven hours in a warm room, and there may be food poisoning concerns if it is very warm there and the buttercream made with egg has been out for so long.

Hope this helps.

anMochi


On May 18, 2007 at 12:30 AM, Hermeswiss (guest) said...
Subject: Missing ingredients list
Tantalizingly, the ingredients list appears to be missing (or does not display) from pdx cook's post on May 20, 2006.

Any chance of re-posting it?

This is a great website and Michael Chu's buttercream recipe has worked wonderfully for me in Australia. Thanks!


On May 18, 2007 at 02:11 AM, Michael Chu said...
re: Missing ingredients

I've had some trouble with the database migration. I'll see if I can fix this without messing everything up.


On May 24, 2007 at 03:59 PM, mdgirl (guest) said...
I am not a pastry chef however I have been baking forever! As far as I know there are several types of buttercream.
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American [/i:dd0f4a5101]- Usually powdered sugar with flavoring and butter
Swiss- Heated eggwhites and sugar beaten with room temp unsalted butter
French-Egg yolks beaten till lemon colored and thick; (soft ball stage) sugar syrup is added then chunks of butter beaten in
Italian- Whipped eggwhites ; sugar syrup that has been heated to soft ball stage is added then butter

I personally love the swiss meringue however I use the french one for my sans rival layer cakes.


On June 09, 2007 at 10:48 AM, cookie (guest) said...
Subject: milk and flour frosting
I enjoy this blog very much, well done Michael!

I'm just wondering if it's just me or has anyone experience the following:

I've made the frosting with the milk and flour cooked mixture and I used all butter. While it tasted good on the same day.........the next day, I could taste the flour and it tasted sort of odd like....no butter or vanilla taste at all.

I've also tried another recipe that uses corn flour added to warm milk to form a paste and then beat into creamed butter/sugar and I piped flowers with star tip. Frosting tasted good....but after a few hours, it started weeping. The flowers are still defined and held up well at this point, the frosting still taste good, soft and creamy but weeping. I used 1 ply of tissue paper to soak up the liquid trying hard not to disturb the flowers.

The decorated cake looks ok and taste good with the frosting soft and creamy but the weeping is just annoying, any comments or help?!?!

cookie


On June 13, 2007 at 01:10 AM, Sae (guest) said...
Subject: frosting terms
Just to clarify to us non-culinary grads, what do the 'softball' and 'ribbon' stages pretain to as stated in the other post below?
Thanks!


On May 10, 2006 at 03:10 PM, McDee said...
I'm in a pastry course at culinary school now (just got home from my pastry mid-term) and our most commonly used buttercream is a whole egg mixture like above except:

sugar and water (4:1) are brought to soft ball stage
whole eggs are whipped to ribbon stage
sugar mixture is drizzled into the eggs (down the side of the bowl while mixer is running) which cooks the eggs
mixture is kept moving while it cools (we've been using an ice-bath under the 20qt mixer to cool it more quickly)
chunked butter is added

Proceed as above.

Having hated cake frostings my whole life, I can honestly say that I enjoy this frosting. It's not too sweet, nor too buttery


On June 13, 2007 at 10:56 AM, Michael Chu said...