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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: how to "bake" without an oven Reply with quote

I really like this site.

my question is i have only a two burner stove top. a skillet, a 8 liter pot, a 3 liter pot, and a 1 liter pot only. no toaster oven. no grill. no nothing. is there anywhere to "bake" bread or cookeies?

thanks a lot.

jas
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread is pretty easy - use a pressure cooker with the gasket removed or a dutch oven on top of the burner.

Cookies are interesting. I haven't made cookies in an alternative oven. It should work as for bread, but the surface area means half-a-dozen cookies per batch. Not efficient. Maybe layers with some sort of metal plates to separate the layers? Not sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the problem is i have no dutch oven or pressure cooker. i only have one pot with a lid that has a hole in it the other pots don't have lids.

maybe i can line it with foil paper?

thanks for any suggestions
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now thats interesting......

Can a stove,etc get as hot as you need to make cookies??

Im not sure about that........ But wrapping tin foil ALWAYS HELPS contain the heat and make things hotter.......
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude111 wrote:
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Can a stove,etc get as hot as you need to make cookies??

This isn't the main issue. The big problem is that it's the wrong type of heat. Baking in an oven transfers heat by convection; sauteing or boiling on a cook top transfers heat by conduction. I'm no scientist, but I don't see how you could achieve even remotely similar results using conduction.

Perhaps the engineers here can help good food turn his 8 liter pot into a stove-top convection chamber?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>>remotely similar results using conduction.

so why do cookies brown on the bottom?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because when your oven is on Bake, the heat is coming from the elements at the bottom of the oven.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>>the heat is coming from the elements at the bottom of the oven.

so it convects through the cookie sheet?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilbert wrote:
>>the heat is coming from the elements at the bottom of the oven.

so it convects through the cookie sheet?

I don't think so. My understanding is that convection is the transfer of heat through fluids, and conduction is the transfer of heat through solids. So obviously there is some conduction involved when you bake.

Like I said, I'm no scientist, so I don't know thermodynamics. I only have a practical understanding of what's going on when an oven is set on Bake. The heat comes only from the bottom elements. It moves upwards and hits the top of the oven chamber, which reflects it back down. You can see how it works if you put two pans of cookies in the oven and don't rotate them. The cookies on the top pan will be very brown on top, and the cookies on the bottom pan will be very brown on the bottom.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, here's what happens when you bake....

whether the heat comes from the bottom or top&bottom or convection fan stream depends on the make & model & modes of the oven. blanket statements do not apply.

ovens involve convection, conduction and radiant heat.

the air does the convection part

the air makes thing inside the oven get hot and if they are in contact with the food object that provides conduction.

hot surfaces radiate heat - not to mention an "exposed" element - not all ovens have their heating elements "hidden" - radiant heat impinges on either the food object and cooks it, of if the food is inside an opaque container, the container heats up and that results in conduction&convection inside a (closed) container.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fill the 8 litre pot with several inches of coarse salt. Stir the salt and heat it till very hot. You can bake bread but it won't brown( just blondish ), cookies are fine as well as thin sponges. In fact the sponges turn out really moist.

A tip - place aluminium foil, folded 2 - 3 layers over the pot before covering. This helps to retain heat. The heat source, of course, is kept on throughout.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the summer you can make cookies inside your car. set it up before work and come back to warm cookies afterwards. amazing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in olden days there were no oven but they baked breads so there must be a way to bake without ovens in a more practical way.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed there must be!!!!! (Stuff was more advanced then most are aware of way back)

Here are 13 ways Smile

http://cheaphealthygood.blogspot.com/2010/07/13-ways-to-cook-without-oven.html


Welcome to the site Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: no oven Reply with quote

Maybe you should just buy a broiler it's much cheaper than real oven.
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